Wednesday, March 23, 2016

Battling phenibut tolerance - best of the web. Taking Phenibut daily would be ideal...here's a post from a user who took it

2 Years of Daily Phenibut Use - Success

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#1 ericzx777

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:49 PM

DISCLAIMER: I am not a physician or heath expert. Below is a summary of my personal experience with taking phebibut, and does not constitute medical advice that only your physician can provide. Because I have had so much success with phenibut, it does not guarantee similar results for everyone … so now you can’t sue me.


I have been suffering from debilitating anxiety my entire life. I have sought treatment diligently, have been prescribed a variety of medications, to no avail. I’ve heard of phebibut online, and decided to give it a try. My life changed entirely. After taking the first dose, my anxiety was completely gone, I was able to think more clearly, act more fluidly in social situations, and turn my life around 180 degrees. I have been taking it for over 2 years, at 2 grams per day, which may sound ridiculously insane to some, so I’d just like to shed some light on that.

Firstly, everyone warns about tolerance to phebibut, and how you should take it sparingly, lest suffer. Everyone talks about ‘tolerance’ as if you’ll need more, and more and more of the dosage to yield the same effect … like it’s an infinite loop to the point where in 3-4 years you’ll have to consume seventeen pounds of the stuff to get the same effect. Nobody talks about peak tolerance. Sure, you build tolerance to any substance, but tolerance starts to peak out at a certain threshold. For me, that threshold would be 2 grams. I’ve been taking that much for over two years. Sure I’ve built tolerance, going from .5g, to 1g, to 1.5g … but it’s leveled out at 2g, and taking any more than that, even after 2 years, would make me feel drowsy and nauseous. Likewise, doctors prescribe some medications that have tolerance (e.g. Adderall, antidepresants). These medications are MEANT to be taken continuously, without cessation, as an ongoing treatment. Skipping does is not advised, because obviously, adverse symptoms would set in. Cessation, if desired, would be achieved by tapering over the course of weeks/months, not abrupt cold-turkey. Thus, dependence is sometimes explicit in treating disorders. Now, chronic phenibut use has not been extensively studied, but directly quoting from a translated Belarusian prescription guide of phenibut** “Prolonged use helps increase mental and physical workload, improves memory, helps maintain healthy sleep cycle.” citing the dosage as multiple times daily, for periods of multiple days/weeks. If you are worried about dependence or tolerance, or just want to take it a few days on/off, then you are flirting with the potential for excruciating withdrawal symptoms, and you’d be better off not taking phenibut at all.

Am I worried about dependence? Well, to prove to myself that I can live without phebibut, I’ll tell you that I have successfully quit by tapering down over the course of a month a few weeks ago. Certainly, withdrawal set it. It was horrible, but manageable since I did a slow taper. After cutting my dose down to around .5g/day and then abstaining for a few days, my anxiety returned with a vengeance. In other words, I returned to being my anxiety-filled self. And so, I’ve proven my point. Sure, I can quit phenibut (tapering down over the course of a few weeks) … but why would I want to? So I started taking my usual 2g dose every morning, and here I am, six months later. With my anxiety under control, I have accomplished more in these past two years than I have ever in my life. I went back to college, double majoring, making the dean’s list each semester. I am no longer afraid to talk to people, or go to class … I’ve made a whole new circle of friends, and each morning I am eager to wake up and achieve more.

What about long-term safety? I’ve done massive research, and read the available small-scale clinical trials. Usually you would find some negative side effects with prolonged use of a pharmaceutical; not phenibut, instead some studies have found positive long-term cognitive benefits, consistent with the monogram.**

Financial cost? Dirt cheap. I have done extensive shopping around over the past two years and by far, and Health Supplement Wholesalers the lowest rock bottom value … $150 for a kilogram, which would last me over a year and half. I can’t even get quality phenibut at that price buying wholesale from China. HealthSupplementWholesalers [dot] com

So yes, I take phebibut every single day. Just like millions of people worldwide take pharmaceutical drugs each and every day by recommendation from their physician, or for sustained medical treatment. I am only addicted to a cure that has empowered me to reach the horizons of my potential which were previously unfathomable. For some, the idea of relying on a pill for daily functioning would be unthinkable and a sign of dreaded addiction. Yet there is no issue with being dependent, if not addicted, to McDonnald jumbo meals, diabetes-infused pop soda, tanning beds and motor vehicles (responsible for thousands of fatalities per year) among other things we idolatrize daily that may carry even greater risks. Maybe substances like phenibut can empower us, just like other innovations, if we can shift our focus from their perils to their potential. Now, my optimism does not absolve the risk of the potentially long-term hazards of chronic phenibut use. I am just merely asserting that I have weighed the benefits and hazards of those risks, and have decided that for me personally … the benefits far outweigh the risks.

So, end of rant. Since the bulk of online posts about phenibut are cold-hard failure and withdrawal experiences, I'd just figured I'd share the flip side of the coin and throw in a sucess story. And again, allow me to disclaim: I do not advocate or promote the chronic use of phenibut, everyone is different. Taking phenibut as I did may turn out to be a catastrophic disaster for you. It really depends on your personality and discipline, of which you are advised to deeply assess before self-medicating in any way. Fair warning.

** I can't post links due to newbie status, but PM me if you want the link to to source. 
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Phenibut only works for a day in terms of stopping social anxiety. Maybe 2 days.

Assuming you have social experience and just need a mood boost or creativity boost. I feel phenibut can really help ... but just for ONE day.
I hadn't taken it in a month and took it again and it definitely hit well for about maybe 3 days tops. I would take it on an empty stomach and with stimulants.

Many say it has a permanent tolerance. I saw one post that compared it to the body recognizing an infection and being immune.

One promising source seems to be Lysine : (source is a drug forum bluelight.org http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/702057-phenibut-vs-benzos)


I would try to raise your own bodies production of GABA through Lysine along with glutamate. Maybe head to whole foods or sprouts if you have them. They have wild lettuce tinctures and Kava tinctures along with calif poppy ones and others. They're not hard acting complete anxiety killers like Benzos but they do help over time. 

You should also give a good read on Adrenal Fatigue, that can cause a lot of anxiety if there are imbalances in your body. They sell kits that test for it, and if you do have adrenal fatigue there are supplements that will bring you to your normal levels.

Research research research my good man  Benzos and phenibut are short term and will turn on you. Healthy living along with knowing your own bodies needs and out will help the most. Knowledge is power.

GABA is made from L-glutamine in the body. This reaction is dependent of LYsine. The more Lysine, the more GABA is produced..naturally. 

GABA, the (benzo-like) inhibitory neurotransmitter requires adequate Lysine in order for its conversion from GABA's precursor - Glutamate - to take place.

from here http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/inde ... sine&st=30
Someone claims they reduces their use of benzos by 90% after using lysine. 

 Good sources of lysine are high-protein foods such as eggs, meat (specifically red meat, lamb, pork, and poultry), soy, beans and peas, cheese (particularly Parmesan), and certain fish (such as cod and sardines).

Sunday, March 6, 2016

Lessons of the socially anxious



  • Some people actually like to talk.. particularly if its very in the moment and circumstantial.. i.e. if you and someone you meet both have the same 2 bags of groceries from 2 different stores.. or  
  • if people are talking about adding each other on MySpace and you make a joke about here can I get your MSN Messenger, etc.... very in the moment ... 

Saturday, March 5, 2016

Kratom Epehdrine L-tyrosine appears decent for short-term anxiety... on social momentum

Kratom Ephedrine L-tyrosine

Overall social momentum I find very strongly correlated to anxiety.
So a chance to approach a girl is not merely a chance...but rather failing to do that one, can lead to 5 more girls you fail to approach as you have not "warmed up yet"